What are the long term effects of including large scale batteries in all this? What happens to expired batteries? I have dozens of dead consumer scale lithium batteries. Is there a recycling process?
Definitely a fair question. My understanding (but I'm not a specialist of that specific topic) is that batteries are largely recyclable, especially when built in modular stacks as used for battery storage (car batteries are a different issue as manufacturing processes designed to save weight and cost can be detrimental to easy recycling). Lithium is definitely recyclable a a material.
Thanks Julien. I actually wanted to reference your work, which has been very useful for me to think about the topic, but it somehow dropped out. I'll do it next time 😬
Jérôme, wouldn't the demand for green steel, chemistry and cement, undergirded by the huge push to produce the necessary hydrogen economy, take care of demand for the foreseeable future? Though your writing in this piece is timely and very prescient... and needed. Onward!
The real demand for hydrogen is not so large and will be regulatory-driven to a large extent (forcing industrial users to go for green solutions, ie hydrogen for some of them). Hydrogen manufacturing is not great as an interruptible activity as its cost is linked to the capacity factors of the electrolysers, so I don't think it's such a solution for the grid (it will be a solution for industry, just not for grid)
Fantastic writeup. Thanks for sharing it with us. Curious to know what 2030 looks like to you, in terms of solar vs wind vs other clean energy sources.
Thanks Simone. The fact that solar would sweep the floor has been predicted for a long time. So it is actually impressive that wind has largely kept up, so far, in terms of installed capacity (and mores in terms of actual generation). I expect solar to keep on growing, but wind will remain a material part of the solution. We are seeing that the right combination of solar+wind+storage (and hydro when available) is very efficient - and you need each component - generally, the story here is that diversity helps make the system more flexible so we'll need all of these.
Water vapor, clouds, ice, snow create 30% albedo which makes the Earth cooler not warmer.
W/o GHE there is no water and Earth goes lunarific, a barren rock ball, 400 K lit side, 100 K dark refuting a warming GHE.
“TFK_bams09” GHE heat balance graphic and ubiquitous clones don’t balance plus violate LoT.
Kinetic heat transfer processes of contiguous atmospheric molecules render a surface black body and it’s “extra” upwelling GHE energy impossible.
GHE is bogus and CAGW a scam so alarmists must resort to fear mongering lies, lawsuits, censorship and violence.
No mentions of NASA, HAARP or China?
2/10, pretty weak argument
What are the long term effects of including large scale batteries in all this? What happens to expired batteries? I have dozens of dead consumer scale lithium batteries. Is there a recycling process?
Hello Dave, 95% of the battery is recyclable. Look at this site : https://www.lithiontechnologies.com/en/
Definitely a fair question. My understanding (but I'm not a specialist of that specific topic) is that batteries are largely recyclable, especially when built in modular stacks as used for battery storage (car batteries are a different issue as manufacturing processes designed to save weight and cost can be detrimental to easy recycling). Lithium is definitely recyclable a a material.
Check https://www.redwoodmaterials.com
Thanks for the great post
Thanks Julien. I actually wanted to reference your work, which has been very useful for me to think about the topic, but it somehow dropped out. I'll do it next time 😬
Thanks. Great that my work is used ;-)
Jérôme, wouldn't the demand for green steel, chemistry and cement, undergirded by the huge push to produce the necessary hydrogen economy, take care of demand for the foreseeable future? Though your writing in this piece is timely and very prescient... and needed. Onward!
The real demand for hydrogen is not so large and will be regulatory-driven to a large extent (forcing industrial users to go for green solutions, ie hydrogen for some of them). Hydrogen manufacturing is not great as an interruptible activity as its cost is linked to the capacity factors of the electrolysers, so I don't think it's such a solution for the grid (it will be a solution for industry, just not for grid)
Nice to see you're still writing Jerome! Albeit on a different platform nowadays :)
Best to you.
HI, good to hear from you. Hope all is well!
Fantastic writeup. Thanks for sharing it with us. Curious to know what 2030 looks like to you, in terms of solar vs wind vs other clean energy sources.
Thanks Simone. The fact that solar would sweep the floor has been predicted for a long time. So it is actually impressive that wind has largely kept up, so far, in terms of installed capacity (and mores in terms of actual generation). I expect solar to keep on growing, but wind will remain a material part of the solution. We are seeing that the right combination of solar+wind+storage (and hydro when available) is very efficient - and you need each component - generally, the story here is that diversity helps make the system more flexible so we'll need all of these.