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Sam Penrose's avatar

Thanks for this column and for the excellent education on wind power in your others. For the long-term trajectory *in rich Westernized countries* I recommend Liebrich's discussion[1] which adds some detail. Beware Jacobson's prophecies, which don't grapple with the political-economic complexities as Liebrich's do. C.f. https://gregor.us 's excellent work on the persistence of fossil fuel long-term across the world.

You are absolutely correct on the risk of hollowed-out demand; note also that billing structures are designed for high-inertia turbines and arbitrary peaks rather than instant-dispatch batteries and predictable evening peaks.

A simple way to estimate the contribution of rooftop solar is to look at the Caiso demand trend[2] on 8 April 2024 (just after the equinox), when there was a partial eclipse. It jumped about 5GW above trend line an hour before solar (not clock) noon. We also know that California has about 20 GW each of utility-scale and behind the meter solar, and that each is growing about 2GW annually. We had negative demand on the last *winter solstice*! We are deploying storage incredibly fast, but not fast enough to keep up with solar, which means ...

... everyone should ask the question: "what can we do with an absurd overabundance of power 4 hours/day"? One maximalist answer is Terraform Industry's.[3] You can be less ambitious and still exciting ...

[1] https://mliebreich.substack.com/p/decarbonizing-the-last-few-percent

[2] https://www.caiso.com/todays-outlook/demand and set the date pulldown

[3] https://terraformindustries.wordpress.com/2024/10/04/terraform-industries-master-plan/

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Someguyontheinternet's avatar

Hello Jerome

You say the logic of distributed battery + solar being so cheap will mean this trend will continue, which I agree with, given the current cost analysis.

But isnt this just an artifact of how electricity is priced for individual consumers? If real mid-day market electricity costs (=0€/MWh) were even slightly reflected in consumer billings, the cost analysis would be completely different

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